http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/7078455.stm .
a young mother has died after giving birth to twins, following claims that she had refused a blood transfusion because of her faith.
jehovah's witness, emma gough, 22, from telford, shropshire, gave birth on 25 october.
A powerful anti-witness, though at the expense of more wasted and ruined lives, especially those of innocent children...
This strikes a chord with me, as I faced death (along with my JW mother) before I was born because of the blood issue.
"Look after widows and orphans in their tribulation..." how many orphans and widows has the WT created with this UNHOLY doctrine?
"Their sins have amassed clear up to heaven..."
guys, when you are trying to woo a woman, in the early days before you get physically intimate, how do you show your interest in her?
I would've thought that pitching a tent anywhere in a woman's general vicinity would be as an unequivocal a sign of interest as it's possible to give off*
*unless you're wearing sufficiently loose clothing...or you've been short-changed by Mother Nature
...best place for the wt?
discovered this little nugget in yesterday's times (uk broadsheet).... .
the journalist seems to have done enough homework to see through the wt spin and rattle the jw guides and visitors - "what?
...best place for the WT?
Discovered this little nugget in yesterday's Times (UK broadsheet)...
The journalist seems to have done enough homework to see through the WT spin and rattle the JW guides and visitors - "What? This wasn't in the script..."
A little sidenote that struck me as odd: the visitor from Zimbabwe.....given that everyone outside of Mugabe's circle of cronies is pretty much scratching a literal existence, how in the heck did she get her hands on a ticket??? Jehoober must provide, indeed.....
in the morning what drink do you first like?
(or need).... i find anything hot such as a tea/coffee or maybe even a hot choclate.
maybe its not necessarily the drink but more the time you allow yourself..
Mary: 'Bolly' (abbr.) = Bollinger champagne For me, mug of tea with my cereal, one more of coffee with a couple of digestive biscuits (I'll leave someone else to explain digestives to the non-Brits ;-p)
whilst "reading" the april 15 watchtowera, i came across an article called disabled yet eager to serve.
i found it quite upsetting, and yet i have to accept the paradigm shifts in play here.. .
a brothera in el salvador has lost both of his hands in an accident, but has designed tools which adapt to his disability, thus allowing him to continue in his chosen building trade.
And when we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with an 'Aid Book'... ;-p
what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.
is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.
if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.
I'm genuinely surprised that no-one's come up with the most obvious reason for the WT's obsession with masturbation...
They're the biggest shower of w4nkers on Earth !!
anybody have the bethal list of banned musicians and songs.
i remember after my sister got baptised she said that the brother who dunked her under told her not to listen to a song, i think it was "new sensation" or something like that which was a popular song for the 80's period.
i remember a lot of songs being banned because of lyrics that had nothing to do with what they thought it had to do with.
Madonna stands out for me in terms of WT memories...not much into her now, but back in the day when she was first 'big'... what can I say? I was young and hormonal...
After having the first tape I bought confiscated by my mother, taken back to the shop and exchanged for a Beach Boys compilation (don't get me wrong, I like the Beach Boys, but...), I went out, bought BOTH the albums that were out at the time (yes, it was THAT long ago), and bought a lockable cash box specifically to hide them, and listened to them on my walkman.
The height of my teen rebellion, that was....
F*** the WT, I say...
what things happened at your meetings that annoyed you?.
was it at a hall ya visited?
did it happen more than once?.
Katiekitten:
Getting spanked by someone elses parents. That was a real bummer.
*badum-tish*
Seriously, though, where else but in a terminally dysfunctional environment like the WT/KH would that sort of behaviour be even remotely tolerated? Out in the 'wicked world' you'd feel the long arm of the law - if the parents didn't dispense their own justice first
On the same theme, just wanted to share something that came rushing back out of nowhere for me the other day...I recalled the times my JW mum gave me a thumping - not the simple smacked arse/legs routine, but (as I got a bit older), a real thumping with fists - on the body, never any 'instruments' used, and not hard enough to leave any bruises (as far as I can *recall*), but still...a hell of a thing for a mother to do...last time was 12 (for swearing), though the very last time she touched me was a slap when I was about 14 (can't remember what for now).
Of course, we're all grownups now...I love my mum very much, she loves me to bits, and I'm very lucky to have a relationship with her at all these days for obvious reasons (though I think the legal nicety of never having been baptised made all the difference there).
As I say, a hell of a thing, viewed from the perspective of age, and something that's given me a little understanding (if not unqualified agreement) with the views of the 'no physical discipline' brigade.
That said, given that that sort of behaviour's based on the twisted interpretation of a culture that stoned its own children to death (and which nearly saw me dead in the womb through the blood issue), I suppose I really shouldn't be surprised in the slightest.
trev and i both gave up smoking around a month ago.
we didn't tell many people, hoping that would stop those of our friends who smoke from offerring us a cigarrette.
trev has been meaning to quit for a while, and i joined him when he made the attempt to support him.
Hello FODN
I've never been a smoker, but I am a recovering alcoholic, and in many respects, IMHO,addiction is addiction is addiction, especially where physical/chemical dependency is concerned, and there's a few techniques I've picked up in recovery that might be applicable to your problem.
One biggie is the 'one day at a time' principle - 'keeping it in the day' - not thinking about the weeks/months/etc. stretching ahead without a drag - just telling yourself "I'm not going to have a cigarette (in my case, a drink) TODAY", and worry about tomorrow when it comes - similarly, not concerning yourself with how you *might* cope with various stressful life events if and/or when they arise - it's that approach that's taken me through a lot in the years I've been sober, including JW family ostracism, the loss of a very dear relative, and many other stresses and strains.
One other thing - you mention worrying about dragging (pun half-intended ) your partner back into smoking with you - speaking for myself and my own experiences, I learned very early on in my recovery (through JW-related family ostracism when I'd only barely dried out) that if I was to overcome my addiction, it had to be for myself and NOONE ELSE, since other people's behaviour toward can, has, and may still change at any time, and if I pinned my sobriety to that, I'd be done for. Also, I need to remember that I am responsible purely for MY addiction and MY recovery - noone else's - and that others are solely responsible for theirs.
A long-time sober man once said to me that he was always careful never to 'share beyond his experience', so I'll take his advice and leave it there - as I say, hopefully you might find the above principles helpful. It might also be worth looking up Allen Carr's book - he's apparently done great things with smoking.
I wish you the very best.
i just heard that two of the fathers of childhood friends of mine, one of them the first boy i ever loved, and the other the head of a good catholic family with eight kids who lived across the street from us, died within days of each other.
im my mind, those families are frozen in time about 35 years ago when i last saw any of them, and i couldnt conceive of them being gone.. i dont know why but those two men being gone really got to me.
i wasnt close to them or anything but it brought home the very real thought that my own parents are going to go soon...and leave me and my two sibs on the planet to carry on.
I don't post here very often (though I lurk every day) and haven't really got to know you or anyone else here first hand, so I hope you won't think it presumptuous of me if I offer you a (((cyberhug))). I've no great words of wisdom to impart - all I can say is that I hear you and very much feel for both you and your mother.
For me, the whole business of coming to terms with the idea of mortality (one's own and that of one's nearest and dearest) has been one of the hardest 'exit issues' to deal with. In my mid-thirties I suppose I'm still relatively young, although I've already lived long enough to see the end of an entire generation of my family with the death of my paternal grandfather (who I became quite close to over the last few years of his life) a little over three years ago.
Now we've all 'moved along a place' in the scheme of the things - my parents are the 'family elders' now and my father is pushing 70, and the prospect of eventually losing him (and my mother) is starting to loom noticeably for me.
I know none of us can tell how the future will pan out, but I'm the youngest in my family by a number of years so, in theory at least, there's a fair likelihood that I will be 'last to go'...I can only barely begin to imagine the sense of loss and isolation your mother must be suffering.
Yes, for those of us who left the Tower (and for many still in), these creeping 'intimations of mortality' have been a rude awakening indeed.
As for what lies after...I'll leave that in the hands of whatever Powers may be...to quote a cracking line from Terry Pratchett:
"I commend my soul to any god that can find it."
((((((LovesDubs & Mum))))))
